Is Obamacare Going To Crush The U.S. Economy?

Did you know that some Americans are being hit with health insurance rate increases of more than 500 percent?  Taking advantage of “the stupidity of the American voter”, the Democrats succeeded in ramming through one of the worst pieces of legislation that has ever come before Congress.  The full implementation of Obamacare has been repeatedly delayed, but now we are finally starting to see the true horror of this terrible law.  Thanks to Obamacare, millions of American families are losing health plans that they were very happy with, health insurance rates are skyrocketing, millions of workers are having their full-time hours cut back to part-time hours, rural hospitals all over the country are dying, and thousands of doctors are being driven out of the industry thus intensifying the greatest doctor shortage in U.S. history.  Obamacare is a slow-motion train wreck of epic proportions, and the full effect of this law is only beginning to be felt.  In the end, the economic impact of this law will likely be measured in the trillions of dollars.

One of the primary reasons why Democrats experienced so much pain during the recent elections was because millions of Americans are receiving some very disturbing letters from their health insurance providers.  At a time when U.S. incomes are stagnating, health insurance rates are rising to absolutely ridiculous levels.

As the New York Times recently reported, even the Obama administration is admitting that “substantial price increases” are on the way…

The Obama administration on Friday unveiled data showing that many Americans with health insurance bought under the Affordable Care Act could face substantial price increases next year — in some casesas much as 20 percent — unless they switch plans.

The data became available just hours before the health insurance marketplace was to open to buyers seeking insurance for 2015.

An analysis of the data by The New York Times suggests that although consumers will often be able to find new health plans with prices comparable to those they now pay, the situation varies greatly from state to state and even among counties in the same state.

Originally, Barack Obama promised that if we liked our current health plans that we could keep them.  Well, it turns out that was not true at all.  Instead, the vast majority of us will eventually have to move to new plans if we have not done so already.  This is particularly true for those that purchase health insurance individually.  The following is an excerpt from an NBC News investigation

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

This is something that actually happened to me.  I received a letter in the mail informing me that my new health insurance policy which meets the requirements of Obamacare will cost me nearly twice as much as my old one.

Needless to say, I was not too thrilled about that.

Other Americans are being hit even harder.  For instance, one family down in Texas got hammered with a 539 percent rate increase

Obamacare is named the “Affordable Care Act,” after all, and the President promised the rates would be “as low as a phone bill.” But I just received a confirmed letter from a friend in Texas showing a 539% rate increase on an existing policy that’s been in good standing for years.

As the letter reveals (see below), the cost for this couple’s policy under Humana is increasing from $212.10 per month to $1,356.60 per month. This is for a couple in good health whose combined income is less than $70K — a middle-class family, in other words.

These rate increases are coming at a time when the middle class in the U.S. is already steadily shrinking.  A lot of families that are already stretched to the breaking point are making the very painful decision to give up health insurance entirely.  At this point, there are millions of families that simply cannot afford it.

But Obama is not about to let those people off the hook.  In fact, huge tax penalties are on the way for those that do not participate in the new system…

Penalties for failing to secure a health-insurance plan will rise steeply next year, which could take a big bite out of some families’ pocketbooks.

The penalty is meant to incentivize people to get coverage,” said senior analyst Laura Adams of InsuranceQuotes.com. “This year, I think a lot of people are going to be in for a shock.

In 2014, Obamacare’s first year, individuals are facing a penalty of $95 per person, or 1 percent of their income, depending on which is higher. If an American failed to get coverage this year, that penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015, Adams noted.

While that might be painful to some uninsured Americans who are counting on their tax refunds in early 2015, the penalty for going uninsured next year is even harsher. The financial penalty for skipping out on health coverage will more than triple to $325 per person in 2015, or 2 percent of income, depending on whichever is higher.

Children will be fined at half the adult rate, or $162.50 for those under 18 years old.

No wonder so many people are so angry with the Democrats.

And as Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Jonathan Gruber has so infamously observed, Obamacare never would have become law if the American people had been told the truth about what it would do to them.

It has been documented that Gruber has visited the White House about a dozen times since 2009, and he has been one of the leading intellectual proponents of Obamacare.  A video in which he states that “the stupidity of the American voter” was “really critical” to the passage of Obamacare has gone viral over the past week.  I have posted a copy of this video below…

What he is essentially saying is that the Democrats purposely deceived the American people because it was the only way that Obamacare was going to become law.

And this is a man that has become very wealthy advising government on healthcare matters.  According to an article in the Washington Post, he has made millions of dollars from “consulting” in recent years…

Not all of the contracts could be found on public Web sites, but here is a sampling. In some cases, Gruber worked with other consultants, so the fees were shared. These figures also might not represent the final payout, and of course these are gross figures, before expenses. But it’s safe to say that about $400,000 appears to be the standard rate for gaining access to the Gruber Microsimulation Model.

Michigan: $481,050

Minnesota: $329,000

Vermont: $400,000

Wisconsin: $400,000

Gruber has also earned more than $2 million over the last seven years for an ongoing contract with HHS to assess choices made by the elderly in Medicare’s prescription-drug plan.

If you are Gruber, life is quite good.

But for most of the rest of America, the economic pain continues.

For example, one recent study found that almost half of all Floridianscannot even afford “to pay for basic necessities”…

Nearly half of Florida households do not earn enough to pay for basic necessities, according to a report released Tuesday by the United Way that seeks to cast a light on the large group of state residents who struggle financially but do not meet the official criteria for being in poverty.

While 15 percent of Florida households are below the poverty level, another 30 percent are financially insecure — a figure that also applies to Sarasota and Manatee counties — based on a new measurement developed by the United Way.

If all those people cannot even afford the basics, how are they going to pay for Obamacare?

This law is going to financially cripple millions of American families.  It truly is a death panel for the U.S. economy.  And because Barack Obama can veto anything that the Republicans in Congress do, we are stuck with it for at least another two years (and probably longer).

So what about you?

Have your health insurance premiums gone up yet?

Please feel free to add to the discussion by posting a comment below…

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  • g13man

    nay , he got his transplant , from man to socialist

  • JohnDille

    LET’S SEE NOW…. IF WE DO THE BASIC MATH HERE…. which Republicans have a hard time doing, apparently… $100,000 DIVIDED BY 290 EMPLOYEES IS ALMOST $345 PER EMPLOYEE PER YEAR… AND DIVIDE THAT BY 12 MONTHS PER YEAR IS NOT QUITE $29 PER MONTH… AND DIVIDE THAT BY AN AVERAGE OF 22 DAYS PER MONTH ON AVERAGE X 8 HOURS PER FULL TIME EMPLOYEE, AND YOUR TOTAL COST PER EMPLOYEE IS A WHOPPING 16 CENTS PER MAN HOUR WORKED, PER YEAR!!! Gee, your company must be run by total incompetents if you cannot afford THAT! OF COURSE, SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY HIRE ILLEGALS, MOSTLY… LIKE MOST REPUBLICANS DO… AND PAY THEM UNDER THE TABLE, THUS DODGING TAXES AND MINIMUM WAGE LAWS… I CAN SEE THAT THE EXTRA 16 CENTS AN HOUR MIGHT DRIVE UP YOUR TOTAL COMENSTATION COSTS! But if you do things on the up and up, 16 extra cents an hour would hardly be of any notice to you and your company! You would raise your prices by a tenth of a penny per item sold, and get back to doing business with hardly any notice of that so called extra expense!!! MUST BE TOUGH BEING SUCH AN INCOMPETENT BUSINESS MAN!!!

  • supply4175

    Hey moron. We have 290 in our company not several thousand. I can only imagine what the companies with the”several thousand people” got hit with.

  • Plutocrats think that working class people should pay taxes
    and not them. They think that people who are poor deserve to rot since they are clearly not as smart or ambitious as them. Who needs the government to give people things when they can sell them instead. The plutocrats, with the help of Fox News control the useful idiots. Keep people hypnotized with NASCAR, NFL, and R-rated movies while they quietly take over the world. Here’s what they have done. 1) Raise the price of health care so they poor will die off while their profits soar 2) Ship the jobs overseas to increase their profits while convincing the government to shred the social safety net 3)cut real wages for workers, then pump people heads full of advertising to make them want what they can’t afford, so they are compelled to borrow money to attempt the good life 4) raise issues like guns and abortion to distract people from the real issue which is the takeover of the country by the plutocrats 5)shred the social safety net so people have to either borrow money or die 6) Education, dumb down the subjects and indoctrinate them to capitalist mythology 7) replace God with money and material things 8) Class warfare divide and conquer. Once they have total control of all the useful idiots (your words) you can do what you want. Only the elites live a good life. The slaves end up starving. All you have to do is look at history to see that. We both agree that this is what is going on in America today (just not who’s behind it). Please go out and educate yourself and don’t be an uninformed useful idiot. The elites don’t care about you. If they did they would not be taking multimillion dollar vacations on your dime.Please don’t wait until it is too late to see what the plutocrats are doing to our country. I wish you and your children well as slaves to the plutocracy you are supporting.
    Sound familiar?

  • Ranger3

    All the facts are readily available for you to research. I can tell that you do not want to know the truth. If i spoon feed you everything, you will never learn to do for yourself. If you truly want to be enlightened put the effort into doing your research. Use the search engine on your computer to find the information. Do like I do and look at many different sites that show the different point of views and make up your own mind. It is obvious that you depend on one of the socialist talking point sites. You make assumptions that I don’t give to charities. I give a lot of my time and money. Unlike socialists I do not believe that it is the government job to pick where my charity dollars go. That is the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals give very little of their own money compared to conservatives. Liberals think the government should steel from the tax payers to give freebies to buy votes. The liberals have made it easier for able bodied people to have the government take care of them than take care of themselves. All ways remember a government that is big enough to give you everything you need is also big enough to take it away. Do yourself a favor and read how Stalin and Carl Marx controlled the useful idiots. This is what Stalin called the Russian people. Look at the book Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky in it he lays out how to control the slaves or useful idiots under socialism. If you will open you mind you will see that those rules are the democrap play book. In a nut shell there 8 steps. They are: 1)control health care. 2)increase poverty and make people dependent on government. 3)increase debt to unsustainable levels. This is wealth redistribution 4) gun control with out guns subjects can not protect themselves 5)welfare take control of all aspects or their life (food, housing and income) 6)Education, dumb down the subjects and indoctrinate them to socialist thinking, 7)religion, replace God with government 8)Class warfare divide and conquer. Once they have total control of all the useful idiot (stalin’s words) you can do what you want. Only the elites in socialism live a good life. The slaves end up starving. All you have to do is look at history to see that. You would agree that this is what is going on in America today. Please go out and educate yourself and don’t be an uninformed useful idiot. The elites don’t care about you. If they did they would not be taking multimillion dollar vacations on the tax payers dime. If you think about it, if you go on vacation the tax payers are paying for it through healthcare subsidies. Please don’t wait until it is to late to see what the socialist are doing to you. I wish you and your children well as slaves to the socialist government you are supporting.

  • Well, I thought we might have an intelligent conversation, but you can’t seem to get beyond calling names. You haven’t responded to anything I’ve asked. nor have you given sources for any of your claims. I tried to have a conversation but all you wanted was a pissing contest. You act like you know it all, but in fact you are frighteningly misinformed like your buddies on this page. I come away from this dialog more frightened for this country than ever, because I know that there are lots of people like you who have bought into the Fox news anti-government propaganda, who want to run away from civil society, because apparently they’d rather fight than think and would rather destroy than share. If only we could improve the schools, there might be hope for the next generation, but that would mean raising taxes…

    I could spend the rest of my life trying to get you to see things differently, but I can see that it would be a waste of time.
    Best of luck to you. I hope you find what you’re looking for.

  • Ranger3

    you are obviously are still depending on NY times and the demo talking points. Bush is helping the wounded vets, working on AIDS preventions and many other charities. If you think bush has done unrepairable damage, look at what Obumbo has done. Do you not remember our military having to watch saddam to keep him from using WMDs on his own people the Kurds. The name of the operation was the Northern and Southern watch in case you do want to do some real research. You talk about money being evil. Money is not evil it is what a person does with the money that is evil. The same thing as guns. Guns are a tool just like money, it is the person that uses the tool that makes it good or evil. You are right there is corruption in both parties. Look at which party huddles around the corrupt member of the party and tries to cover up. The democrap party is not held to the same standards as the republicans. The media is also good at covering up for the dems. If it was the republicans that pushed through the ACA on party line vote the media would be all over the story. Gruber the main architect of the bill said they lied to the stupid American voters to get it passed. Since it was the dems there is not a word. You probable have not heard about that. If you have it was just this administration denying Gruber and saying they don’t know who he is. Even if he is on all their websites and met with odumber in person in the white house for almost an hour. That is on the records. As i said bush is part of the problem because he did not use executive action to go around congress like odumber is doing. Again do your research and you will see bush was blocked by the democraps while trying to fix the problem. With your logic it was the cop’s fault the bank got robbed because the robber got away. Bush was not the best president but he is way better than the current one in all aspects of the job. The only thing you can say odumbo has done was to take a divided country and divide it even more.

    Open your mind do the research and realize that you have been duped. America is still a great country we just need to walk away from the corrupt socialists.

  • You’re talking about fact vs. opinion and then in the same paragraph talk about Sadam’s stashes. Really? At least we agree that corruption is the biggest problem, But you are only willing to see it on the part of those you don’t like. You give the Repubs a free pass. Come on, Cheney? How many billions did his company make on that unneeded war? In my opinion, that was one of the worst examples of blatant corruption in modern history. And how can you possibly give Bush a free pass on the Wall Street meltdown? Yes, Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall which was wrong, but that was only one piece of the puzzle as I’m sure you know. Bush had 8 years to fix it but he only made it worse. I’m telling you, the enemy is not the Dems or Repubs, it’s the money. And the money is laughing all the way to the bank while people like us are busy fighting over bullshit,while they are cleaning out the treasuries, and the pension funds and sticking the working class with the bill, while they pay no taxes. This is the real problem.

  • Ranger3

    You can have your own opinions and I respect them for just that opinions. Facts are facts and you do not do the research to find the facts. You state that where you get your information determines your opinion. You then say that the new york times is factual. If you believe that there is no hope for you. I do my research in many different places including reading the bills. I don’t depend on a liberal leaning piece of garbage news organization to tell me what to think. If you do your research you will find that fox news has more viewers than ny times has subscribers. The ny times is well known for its bias reporting. In my opinion carter is a decent man, the second worst president in the history America but a good man. The CRA he signed required banks to give loans to low income people. There was a regulatory department that reviewed the banks practices. Any bank that was FDIC insured had to participate in the CRA loans. Their business would not be allowed to expand by buying out other banks or opening new branches if they did not participate. In other words they were black mailed by the government. Now for some more facts clinton signed the bill ro repeal Glass-steagall. This deregulated wall street by allowing commercial banks to become investment banks and allowed banks to invest in derivatives and leverage their money to buy them. As I said clinton doubled down on the CRA and made fredy and fannie buy up the bad loans from the banks. This protected the banks that clinton deregulated and put the burden on the working class tax payers to bail them out. You are right no wall street banker has gone to jail. The DOJ under holder has not pursued any of the democrap donors for their role in the financial melt down. You will agree that this administration has not charge anybody involved. After 6 years I doubt that any of the wall street banker will get charged.You talk about Bush putting a wall street banker in charge of the treasury. Every president has done that for many decades including obumber. Do you not remember tax cheat geithner. I agree that there is corruption in the government. After 6 years of this socialist administration the corruption is worse than ever in our life time. During the time clinton was president he was handed bin laden at least 5 different times and he did not executed the plan. You are right I did leave out Iraq as a terrorist country. Clinton was an appeaser. Remember how saddam would kick out the UN when they got too close to his stashes. Clinton would act tough and beg saddam to let the inspectors back in. Saddam would let them in after he moved the stashes to a different location. You would agree that Iran is also a terrorist country. Yet odumbo is trying to appease them and let them get nuclear bombs to use on our allies. This administration is the most corrupt and least transparent in American history. Those are facts and you cannot change facts. Do your research it might open your eyes.

  • What’s interesting to me is how two people can look at the same world and see such different things. I suspect it comes down to where you get your information from. Of course volumes have been written about how factually incorrect Fox News is, while the New York has been considered the journalistic gold standard for over a century. The Times may be biased in some of their editorials but they rarely get the facts wrong. An independent survey asked viewers where they got their news from and then asked them a series of questions about current events. Fox viewers consistently got the lowest scores.
    Be that as it may, the point is that we now have two populations in this country who listen to two completely different version of what is true, and are both very angry at the other to the point where they are unwilling to have a
    conversation about it.

    The second point is that the world is so complex and who is
    willing or even has the time to try and figure out for themselves, which version is actually correct. Much easier to listen to the guys that we tend to agree with. This is a problem, a very big problem. Do you agree?

    Now you shouldn’t be surprised to learn that I don’t find
    your version of events credible. Let me address a few of your points. Jimmy Carter was not a great president, he did not hold up well to the challenge of the Iran hostage crisis. However, he was, in my opinion, probably the finest human being to occupy the office going back to Lincoln. He was completely unselfish and cared more about people than anyone before or since.If you don’t believe me, take a look at what he’s done since leaving office, unlike Bush, who after doing irreparable harm to this country has been going around stuffing his pockets with speaking fees ever since. Carter was, unlike most of the others, incorruptible. When he passed the community reinvestment act, it was to help the people who needed help and try to stimulate the economy. Jimmy Carter was not the one making the irresponsible loans, Jimmy, was not the one chopping up the loans and selling them as securities so as to
    completely remove any traceability or accountability. And Jimmy was long gone from the White House when the sleazy Wall Street bastards, starting printing highly
    leveraged derivatives that turned the pension funds of hard-working Americans into a casino, while helping themselves to billions in commissions. If you look back it was Reagan who started deregulating Wall Street. Clinton had a hand in it too, because he had to pay back those who help fund his campaign. Then Bush finished
    the job, while putting a Wall Street banker in charge of the treasury. Talk about a fox guarding the henhouse. And none of them have gone to jail.

    The problem is the system. Both Democrats and Republicans have no choice but to suck up to the big money if they want to get re-elected. The crash never should have happened and it was greed that made it happen. And the regulations that used to protect us, have been removed at the behest of the big money folks so that they could make even more money. The thing is, it’s
    just a game to these people, while decent, hard working people are losing their
    homes. This is wrong.

    I agree with you that corruption is one of the biggest
    problems. But if you think it’s limited to Socialist governments, which I assume, to you includes our own, then you are really out of touch with reality.
    Corruption is everywhere and our country right now is more corrupt than it has been in my lifetime and the corruption and the money go hand in hand. I don’t know how you think giving the big money even more power to put their choices in office is going to make things better for anyone but them.

    Let’s not even go into 9/11. I don’t have all day. Clinton’s
    policy was containment not appeasement, you’re thinking of the Brits before WWI. Clinton did try and get Bin Laden but missed. I noticed that you said Afghanistan and Iran supported terrorists. But for some reason we decided to attack Iraq. Whoops, wrong country. That only cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars. Now these same blood thirsty morons will be in charge again. I can’t wait
    to see what they’ll do this time.

  • Ranger3

    I am angry at how bad the public school system has failed to educate American citizens. I will admit they have done a great job of indoctrination to the socialist lies. I am angry that America was duped into the hope and change garbage that the democraps sold to the people of America. You people either blame Reagan or Bush. You can’t comprehend how bad socialism is for any country. Now I will educate you a little and if you do your research you will find out it is correct. By research I mean not so socialist site like dailykos or huffington post. IN October 1977 Carter and democrap majority congress enacted the Community Reinvestment Act. This bill blacked mailed banks into giving loans to people that could not afford them.This started the housing bubble that burst. In 1999 the clinton administration doubled down on the CRA and made Fannie Mae and Fredy Mac buy up all the liar loans that banks were giving out to unqualified people. In the end the taxpayers had to bail out both GSEs because of that policy. In the early years Bush screwed by not stopping the policy that carter, clinton and the dems put into place. In 2005 the dems blocked legislation to stop the policies. Just 2 weeks before the housing crash strarted barney frank and chirs dodd were saying there was no problem. During that time fannie and fredy were bundling the bad mortgages into derivatives and selling them to big banks. Who were leveraging their money and putting themselves at risk of disaster. When the bubble burst the dems had to bail out the banks because they were big democrap donors. Those are facts do your research. In a way I guess you can blame Bush because he did not use executive action to go around the dems majority in congress. If you don’t remember the radical Muslims brought a war to American soils after appeasement from the clinton administration. On 9/11/01 they attacked America with hijacked planes. Bush took the war to them so it would not be fought on our soil. Iran and Afghanistan leaders were supporting the terrorists. Those are facts look it up. People respected America while Bush was president. Now nobody respects America. This administration won’t even protect our boarders. Russia and China are working hard to destroy America and Odumber won’t do nothing about it. Keep leading from behind. Look at all the scandals in this administration. Corruption runs deep in socialist governments. The architect of odumbo care admits they lied to get it passed on strictly party lines. They lied to get control of the useful idiots. Or as they put it the stupid American voters. This bring us to votes. If you want one vote per person lets pass a voter ID law. That way nobody can vote multiple times and in different polling places. I could keep going but there is no use. By your posts you will not believe the truth of even research the facts I have given you. This is why the elites in the socialist party call people like you useful idiots of stupid American voters.

  • Perhaps you’re too angry to have a conversation, as I see you;re still calling names and blaming everything that’s wrong with this country on the president and his administration. Do you even remember what a complete disaster your guy Bush left us? The economy in ruins along with our reputation around the world. Two pointless wars that almost bankrupted us and huge tax cuts for the wealthiest who saw their net worth rocket to obscene heights until their unchecked money games crashed the world economy. So much for lax regulation. Perhaps you forget how on the first day after Obama was inaugurated the Republicans said that they would focus 100% of their efforts on making sure he was a one-term president.How’s that for teamwork and having a conversation? And that’s exactly what they did. Fought everything he did just because he did it. And if there was a time when he looked most foolish it was when he tried to compromise with them, while they laughed behind his back. What did he get for that? They shut down the government. So I’m sorry, but you’re blaming the divisiveness on Washington on him just doesn’t fly, ACA should have been a single payer system that would have been better but the Republicans wouldn’t consider it. They didn;t have any amendments by the way. Still don’t have any ideas for a better system, that just want to throw stones at this one. Sorry, Obama’s not perfect, but everything he’s done, which was quite a bit by the way, was an uphill fight.History will be much kinder to him than Fox news has been. I’m sure you’re against single payer because Fox news calls it socialism but would you privatize water, too? Because health care, like clean water, in an advanced society that has the means to provide it, should be a basic human right. ANd it would make our businesses far more competitive. Do you know how much money is spent by GM and Ford on health care, for every car that is built. It’s over $2,000 How are we supposed to compete with that burden? That’s why we build so many cars in Canada and Mexico.Your guys don’t impress me one bit, They nearly destroyed this country with their wars, tax cuts and denial of climate change, but I’m still willing to have a conversation with them becasue a lot of people have been fooled into voting for them so I have to.
    I am part of all three legs of the stool by the way, I vote, so I am part of the government. I have a business and I am a citizen. All of us are, because everything is connected. Right now, it looks like the government and the wealthy (who are mostly business owners and executives) are one leg because of our corrupt electoral process that has been converted from one person one vote to one dollar one vote. Sorry, but that’s not democracy. And by the way, the last time I checked there was not socialist party in America. Do you really want a country with no regulations? Be careful what you wish for. The government and the people are connected but they are not the same thing. You don’t give yourself a speeding ticket, but you know if they weren’t out there doing it, the roads would be a lot less safe. An unchecked free market is not what we need. A free market is a good thing, but it needs rules and regulations, otherwise greed and corruption will take over. If saying so, makes me a socialist, then so be it. I’ve been in countries where corruption rules, and it’s not pretty.But I’m not looking for socialism, I’m looking for balance. And right now the people at the bottom, who used to be called the middle class are getting screwed. Do you agree? So let’s talk about how to fix that?

  • Ranger3

    Most people in America would like to have a conversation. The problem is this president and the administration is the most divisive group of people in the history of America. They never once reached out of the opposition when they had control of congress and presidency. Odumbo was more that willing to say I won and it will be done our way. Pelosi and reid would not let one republican amendment get added to odumbo care. It was so bad they had to buy votes from members of their own party. Now we find out that they were willing to lie and deceive the citizens to get support for the stinker. Gruber is bragging about the deceit and calling voters stupid. Odumbo is using agencies to force regulations on the citizens. This regulations are causing business to hoard money because they don’t know what is going to hit them next. HHS is making laws and changing odumbo care as it goes. You talk about a three legged stool, that is not how America is supposed to be. You fell for the divisive propaganda put out by the socialists. Our founders wrote the Constitution so the people and government are supposed to be one and the same. The government is supposed to be “of the people, for the people and by the people”. In the same train of thought business is made up of people. You said you own a business so do you fit into the business or people category? Business don’t want America destroyed. The CEOs live in this country also. If they ruin the middle class there will be nobody to buy their product or services. Most business would like to see the economy and wages grow. The problem is this administration is doing all it can to not let that happen. This administration is using the the socialist/marxist strategy of divide and conquer. They are creating class wars, race wars and ideological wars to keep American citizens divided. This strategy was working well for them for a while. America woke up and voted them out of power. Now the socialists are saying that we all need to corporate with each other. Last night odumbo went around congress and the Constitution with executive action to grand amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. This was done to keep America divided and to create more dependency on the government. You can’t expect a majority of people in America to go against their believes just to get along. America was once a great nation and will be again once the socialist are no longer in power.

  • It you want to have a conversation, you need to stop the name-calling. Just because you don’t agree with people doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect them. If that doesn’t change soon, starting with you, but extending to all your friends on Fox News and on Capital Hill, we’re never going to get anywhere. The only way forward in this country is if people like you and people like me sit down to a polite and respectful conversation. Assuming we all want what is best for America and the American people, then the only thing we have to figure out is how to get there. It sounds to me like your worst nightmare is the idea of some undeserving person (who probably doesn’t look like you) getting handouts so that they can sit around and do nothing all day while people like you and me work and pay taxes. Well, my worst nightmare is a bunch of billionaire tycoons getting together with Senators and Supreme Court justices, getting together at the exclusive country club (guess who picks up the tab) to talk about changing all the rules to screw all the little people so they can have everything for themselves (as if they don;t have enough already). Both of these problems do exist to some degree or another. Do you agree? Maybe we are both exaggerating them (people tend to do that with nightmares). I think we can both agree that both government and business had some role in creating this mess and probably has some role in fixing it if it’s ever going to get fixed. And somewhere along the line these two problems are connected. The way I see it,it’s a three-legged stool. There are the people, then there is the government and then there is business. What I think we want is to have all three in balance. If people get too big we have anarchy, if the governement gets too big we have communism, and if business gets too big we have oligarchy. We need each to be strong to keep each other in check and to provide what they’re best at. Business brings prosperity, driven by the profit motive. We need government to keep that profit motive from getting out of control and causing harm to the public. Can we agree on that?

  • Ranger3

    You are one of the socialists useful idiots. Look where the socialist policies has gotten America. The America haters in the democrap party is destroying America. I said that everybody should have skin in the game. So a flat would include everybody. People that get hand outs will keep voting for who ever promises the freebies, so the hand outs keep going. If you over tax the rich they will move where they are treated better. If that happens the whole tax burden will be dumper on the middle class workers. You sound like odumbo when you say they never built that. In case you don’t know it the top 40% of richest people in America pay 100% of the taxes. The lowest 40% pay negative 9%. This is according to the CBO and we all know how the democraps like to quote the CBO. If you do your research you will find out that the rich did build the infrastructure. Your are right about the good public school system not being available. The socialists took over the education system and are indoctrinating our children to believe the crap that you are vomiting. The government does take in enough tax money to maintain the infrastructure. The problem is the socialists are spending it on stupid stuff to buy votes so the useful idiots will keep them in power. Jobs are being moved over seas. Corporations like GE are closing down plants here and moving to China. GE’s CEO is obumbo’s job czar and a big democrap donor. Look at the action of the socialists not their words. They say they are for the working class while doing all they can to destroy it. Obumbo is going to use executive action to let illegals stay in America. This action will be bad for the working class. You keep believing the socialists and see where it gets you.

  • And you’re reciting Archie Bunker’s lines. Look, either you pay now or you pay later. These super-rich people who you don’t want to burden with higher taxes are also the ones who could be creating more jobs, if they made that a priority, but they get a higher rate of return by shipping the jobs to places with no minimum wage, no worker protections, no regulations on pollution–places where people will sell their grandmothers to make a buck. It’s called a race to the bottom, and while we’re not winning it, we refuse to stop playing. Meanwhile, back home we let people fend for themselves, where there is no opportunity and wonder why crime is so high. Leave people without insurance so they have no choice but to go to emergency rooms and we wonder why health care has gotten so high. Everything is connected. These people you praise,who make it big “on their own,” did so with solid infrastructure like good public education (no longer available), money to maintain infrastructure (no longer available) which created lots of jobs back then at a time when tax rates were far higher than they are today and most people (except those few at the top) felt that life in America was better. Today all those infrastructure jobs are gone so we could cut the taxes on those at the top. They called it trickle down. It didn’t work.
    You should travel more. Visit some other countries, It will give you some perspective on other ways life can be lived with different priorities.

  • Ranger3

    You are vomiting the socialists talking points. Redistribution of wealth is not the way to help people. There is a lot of money in America much of it is in the hands of a small number of people. Most earned it legally by owning a business and deserves to keep it. If you treat these people bad they will take their money and go where they are treated better. If that happens the total tax burden will be piled on the back of the middle class. Take New York they over taxed the rich and the rich moved to a more friendly state. The tax revenue went down. I believe everybody should pay their fair share. I mean everybody. So there should be a flat tax. That way everybody has skin in the game. If the socialists elites could not buy votes with freebies America would be better. If everybody paid taxes most of the government waste would go away because the politicians would be held accountable for the stupid way tax money is spent. Healthy able bodied people should not get hand outs. If they fall on hard times give them a hand up. If America would walk away from socialism the economy would get better. There are several things America needs to do. First kick all illegals out of the country. This would open up jobs for Americans. Second create more jobs than there are job takers. This will causes wages to go up. This will also add to the tax base so taxes can go down for the working class. Third stop stupid government spending and pay down the debt. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Somebody has to pay for it. I have to pay a lot in taxes to support people that want wealth redistribution. I am not rich but I was smart enough to live on less than i made and invest so my money is making me money. I am taxed at a very high rate on my investments. When I was young I worked long hours and educated myself with no hand outs from the government. I was too proud to take hand outs.

  • This country is tremendously wealthy with more than enough money to feed and take care of everyone. Unfortunately, most of that money is in the hands of a very small number of people, most of whom pay little or nothing in taxes because they can afford Ivy-league accountants and exotic tax shelters. In a fair society, the hard-working people shouldn’t be the ones to bear the brunt of helping the poor, but rather those who don’t work at all but let their money work for them. They are enjoying the lowest tax rates in history while the middle class withers and dies. You think that’s right?

  • Ranger3

    I also believe in a society where people help each other. I don’t believe that the government should force wealth redistribution on our society. I prefer to choose where my charitable giving goes. Obumbo care is all about control of the people. With this law they are controlling the hard working tax payers with wealth redistribution. It controls the people that are getting the subsidies by making them dependent on the socialist government. The more useful idiots dependent on the government the more power they will have. instead of wealth redistribution, lets fix the economy and make it to where everybody can take care of themselves. You do this by getting the socialists out of government and making capitalism work the way it supposed to. Lets work to pull everybody up out of poverty and not drag the hard working tax payer down into poverty with wealth redistribution. It is sad that there a people that believe it is OK for government to steal from one group to give to another.

  • I believe in a society where we help each other, if that’s what you’re asking.Life picks winners and losers. The government can tilt the playing field to favor those things that the people want, like eliminating things that are dangerous or unfair.As for those paying very high rates now, I understand that varies greatly from state to state. So don’t blame the ACA, talk to your state people about their implementation of it.

  • Ranger3

    So you believe that the government should force all the hard working tax payers to subsidize your business. If your business is not self supporting, maybe you should look at management or the business model. Government should not be picking winners or losers by subsidies and taxes.

  • Scott

    Deck Chair, your a moronic pyscho-babbling idiot! Your head is so far up your butt you might as well use Preperation H as toothpaste.You haven’t got the common sense of a bucket of mud and everytime I read your nuerotic rantings you confirm that even a crazed chimpanzee has more mental depth than you. Good gracious man, how many times are you going to bend over and take another one for the left before you realize they’re making you pay for the priviledge of being their whore? Remember your grandfather? Millions of grandfathers, grandmothers and their families are going to suffer as he did because your precious political system is dishonest you quivering pile of slug slime,And it’s right. left. middle and even bottom feeders like you getting the outhouse end of the stick. Get your head above the leftwing beltline you seem to relish nursing at and see what’s happening you psycophantic drooler of inane drivel. You’ve lost you grip on reality there skeeter, time to change thumbs and watch Howdy Dowdy. Happy Holidays Decky !

  • Joe Cabot

    Now it’s accelerating downhill? A few posts back you were spouting off about how BarryCare is saving humanity. Are you confusing your notes comrade? History says that nothing done by government done on a scale this massive will be efficient and well managed. And O’Bomber, Stretch Pelosi, and Harry Reid are not going to be the grifters to change history. If this was so wonderful they would not have had to implement it via midnight and weekend closed door meetings, would not have had to slam it through congress so as not to lose any votes along the way, and would not have a party lackey now admitting that the democrat party duped their acolytes. Or have you missed the part where Jonathan Gruber called you stupid?

  • Joe Cabot

    So you’ve met and interviewed all these people? Or are you simply taking some talking points from the O’Bomber regime and spewing them as fact?

  • Ranger3

    You say odumbo care is responsible for less than 2 or 3% of all health care? Shows how stupid the useful idiots really are. odumbo care has cost the American tax payers a hundred billion or more. At 3% of all health care they could of paid for that straight out and not pass the bill. The truth has come out only the useful idiots and democraps backed the bill. Gruber said thanks to the stupidity of the American people the bill got passed. He was talking about the useful idiots like you. Now think about this the tea party was formed to oppose the odumbo care. So how ironic is that the tea party is the only smart group in America, they could see what a disaster odumbo care will be. It was such a stinker that not one republican voted for it. How smart do you think you are now. Socialists will lie and steal to keep the useful idiot voting for them. You still want to blame Reagan for all the democrap caused problems.

  • Yes, when business was booming, I was happy to pay my fair share and will be again. That includes those less fortunate and those who have been broken as hidden costs of our prosperity.My quality of life depends on a healthy society that I can be a part of.

  • mozart33

    I will admit the ACA is a questionable law (the coverage I have had for the past 20 years was just cancelled by my employer, not because they don’t want to provide it, but because the new regulations prevent them from providing it to me according to my weekly hours), but let’s share the blame at least equally with the Health Insurance Industry which provides no discernable benefit to our Healthcare System, saps billionsof dollars and actively prevents any reasonable improvements and cost benefits to anyone except themselves.

  • FedUp

    Idiots abound as your posts continue to prove!

  • Ranger3

    What ever happened to Americans being responsible for ourselves? Your premiums went up but not by much, because the state is kicking in to help pay the tab. Do you know where the state gets the money to kick in to pay the tab. It is from the tax payers. So like all good socialists you want me to pay for your business. As a business owner do you buy into the wealth redistribution? Are you going to have the same opinion if your business starts to make money and you get your hard earned money redistributed?

  • JohnDille

    FROM THE LOOKS OF IT… THW WHOLE SYSTEM BEGAN TO FALL APART UNDER RONALD REAGAN… AND HAS ACCELERATED DOWNWARD EVER SINCE!!!

  • Keith Brown

    We live in California where even NBC acknowledged on yesterday’s MTP broadcast that the rates have climbed. We experienced a 50% increase for 2014, but as the year progresses we found out that all of the specialists we use were not part of the network for our plan. And two very un-democratic things happened: creation of a robber-baron style healthcare monopoly and discrimination. ONLY Anthem Blue Cross sells individual healthcare policies in our county…other companies continue to offer group coverage. ABC only sells the Covered California plans, whether you purchase them on or off the exchange, so only the skinny network is available. That’s a classic monopoly! If I could obtain coverage Under a group care plan, I could use the other care providers, but I can’t and that’s discrimination. So the government has struck a deal With the Insurance companies and politicized healthcare by regulating me. It seems in order for this law to work, they now need to further regulate the insurance companies by forcing more of them to compete here and the doctors will also need to be forced to universally cover everybody. So we need worse laws to fix the bad ones we already have? None of this makes sense to me.

  • FedUp

    The system fell apart with this POS POTUS ACA. You’re nothing but drivel, DIllo!

  • FedUp

    No it IS TRUE, ODillo! One illegal even got a transplant, compliments of the American taxpayer. Let us all guess…you are among the illegal!

  • JohnDille

    WATCH OUT ARVE… the right wingers do not want to hear the truth… which is that the large majority of people who have gotten Obamacare actually like it, and see it as a pretty good deal!!!

  • JohnDille

    Our company has been hit with a Obamacare surcharge of $100,000. SO YOU HAVE A COMPANY WITH SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE IN IT… SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY ONLY PAYING 20 TO 50 DOLLARS PER EMPLOYEE??? AND WHICH INSURANCE COMPANY ARE YOU PAYING THIS ALLEGED HIGHER FEE TO… some Republicans owned rip off insurance outfit that is jacking up your costs… AND SIMPLY BLAMING IT ON OBAMACARE… while most of that extra money just goes straight into the pockets of a few rich Republicans??? THAT VERSION OF THE STORY SOUNDS MORE ACCURATE!!!

  • JohnDille

    SO… WHY DON’T YOU LEAVE THIS COUNTRY… THEN SNEAK BACK IN AND GET YUR HEALTH CARE FOR FREE???? Oh, yeah… THAT’s right… what you just claimed is not even remotely true… just more right wing lies and BS!!!

  • JohnDille

    WATCH IT, RPSIEGEL… I have never seen your name on this board before, so you may not know that it is dominated by right wing republicans and….. independents??? and other fence sitters…. WHO ARE GOING TO VICIOUSLY ATTACK YOU FOR TELLING THE TRUTH… that the lies they believe are just that… self serving right wing lies and baloney!!!

  • JohnDille

    YEAH… DANG OBAMACARE…. THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD HAVE JUST LET THE SO CALLED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM COLLAPSE UNDER ITS OWN WEIGHT… JUST LIKE IT WOULD HAVE DONE… BECAUSE HEALTH CARE COSTS HAVE BEEN SOARING OUT OF CONTROL FOR YEARS… LONG BEFORE ANYONE EVER EVEN HEARD OF OBAMA!!! My wife’s insurance through her employer was an excellent example of what has been happening. 15 years ago, when I worked at the same place she did… the company paid 150 a month for my insurance, and I paid an additional $35 a month. LAS YEAR… MY WIFE WAS PAYING 245 A MONTH… PLUS THE COMPANY WAS PAYING JUST OVER $1.000 A MONTH… FOR THE EXACT SAME PLAN I HAD 15 YEARS AGO… EXCEPT WITH MUCH HIGHER DEDUCTABLES… much less actual coverage for MUCH HIGHER prices, in other words. THE COMPANY FINALLY SHUT DOWN…. THEN STARTED BACK UP AS A TOTALLY NEW COMPANY… PAYING ABOUT 2 DOLLARS AN HOUR IN HIGHER WAGES… BUT WITH NO HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AT ALL!!! What did this have to do with Obama care???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…. EXCEPT REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF OBAMACARE TO HIDE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG… getting rid of health care coverage completely… or slowly phasing it out by reducing their benefits and passing on higher costs to employees. So… with any luck at all… Republicans will totally get rid of Obamacare… AND LET THE WHOLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM JUST FALL APART…. or… MUCH more likely… they will help push the whole health care system into outright collapse…AND BLAME THAT COLLAPSE ON OBAMACARE… AND ON OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS… even though, relative to the whole Health care system,… OBAMACARE IS ACTUALLY TINY… covering barely 5% of all health care insurance clients… and most of them getting the lowest cost coverage possible… SO ALL TOGETHER… OBAMACARE IS PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE FOR LESS THAN 2 OR 3% OF ALL HEALTH CARE COSTS!!! But being liars and hypocrites, Republicans will blame the INEVITABLE demise of the whole health care system on Obamacare!!! REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE INDEED STUPID… JUST LIKE THE GUY… who otherwise had NOTHING to do with Obamacare… SAID!!!

  • Arve

    As an independent buyer with 4 dependents total, our health insurance premium for the same coverage we have will increase $20 per month for 2015. We have great coverage with low deductibles and co-pays, which did not change for 2015. This is the smallest annual increase in health insurance we’ve ever experienced.

  • Obamacare is helping my business, which has struggled of late, cover my health care expenses. I bought insurance through the exchange last year and saved money, and will save more this year.The cancellation letters you’re talking about is because existing policies did not fit the coverage parameters set out in the new law. A new policy is offered in its place. Did premiums go up? Yes, they did like they have every year for as long as I can remember. But with the state kicking in to help pay the tab. I will see no increase. Do your homework people, and don’t read hype like this without asking yourself what’s motivating the writer.

    The American health care system has been completely broken for a long time, so don’t blame all of its problems on this first real attempt to fix it.

  • FedUp

    Simply stated, we have the “illusion” of healthcare. Denounce your citizenship, come back in illegally and you’ll get all the healthcare you want….for FREE!! What a country.

  • FedUp

    Oh, are the sheeple FINALLY awakening from their comas to learn the truth about the ACA? “Affordable”…right. Buck Ofama.

  • supply4175

    Our company has been hit with a Obamacare surcharge of $100,000. And the democrats said it would be cheaper just read the new law! 1000 pages with hidden agenda’s buried in it and a bunch of lies. What do the Congress need to worry about… they aren’t on the same plan. They have their own insurance which is absolutely criminal. We need a new amendment to make them follow the same plans as the rest of the country. Ins, SS etc with no golden pensions that they all get when they leave. They stole enough already

  • Go Pack

    Am a small biz owed in MN and have been buying my own Health Insurance for my family of 5 for several years. Premiums were $1243/mo with a $4000 deductible. Once the deductible is met, within the calendar year, there is 100% coverage.

    Last week, Preferred One who is the provider, sent a letter advising that the rates on January 1 would rise to $2045/mo if we kept the same deductible. Three other options were presented with monthly rates ranging form $1350-$1500/mo. That by itself doesn’t sound so bad except that the deductible went from $13200-$15000/yr depending on the monthly premium selected. Do the math, how can the average worker pay nearly $20,000/yr and that’s if they stay healthy. Break a bone or end up in a hospital and the cost will rise to over $28,000.00 out of pocket. This will break America!